'Acid Trax', 'We Are Phuture', 'Rise From Your Grave' are but just three of the many classics that Phuture, now trading as Phuture 303, have created. The group, which formed in 1985, was one of the first to mess with the 303 and create sparse, squelchy futuristic dance rhythms that was partly responsible for a cultural revolution, the acid house explosion of the late 80s. While Phuturre has enjoyed a fluid membership over the past 23 years, including Pierre, Professor Trax, Roy Davis Jnr and Spanky in its ranks, it now consists of Spanky and Trax. With their first UK gig in years due to take place at Bloc this weekend, I nabbed Spanky for a quick chat about Ron Hardy, religion and the great Chicago swindle...
Hey Spanky, how are you – what are you up to these days?
“Hi, I’m fine thanks. I’m doing a day job, but I don’t want to disclose what it is. Apart from that, I’m working on an album and I have got a few other producers involved too - there’s Jake Wuntaq, Roy Davis jnr and Professor Trax working on it. Hopefully, it’ll be complete in a few months, if everyone’s schedule permits it. We’re going back to the old school way of music, using acid sounds, but there will be more modern drums on some of the tracks, not the typical 909 drum sound, as well as some vocals that I’ll do.”
Do you think that the acid sound has endured?
“I don’t know a lot of the artists nowadays, but I hear a lot of music online and I don’t hear the same old 909 drum anymore, but I still hear the acid sound. That’s why I’m sticking with acid: it doesn’t die, it’s very energetic. When we did it in the 1980s, I suppose we were ahead of our time.”
Was there ever a plan to make music and then release it?
“No. Originally, I made tracks with the intention of getting Ron Hardy to play them at the Music Box - that was my goal. I never thought that this music would get so big. When I started out, when I was making my first tracks, I wasn’t thinking about records or contracts, but just about getting Ron to play them.”
What was the Music Box like?
“I used to go there practically every weekend. It was a real loud club, it was free-spirited, but first and foremost, it was about the music. No one was thinking about who would get with who or if the people beside you were gay or straight. That’s why I wanted to get a track played there - no one knew what Ron was going to play next.”
Do you think that Ron Hardy played a big role in kick starting Chicago house?
“Put it this way: Phuture launched a lot of people’s careers, people like DJ Pierre, myself, Professor Trax, Felix da Housecat and Roy Davis jnr all got sprung from Phuture. We created music, but Ron was our teacher, he gave us our style - none of this would have existed without him, he was the first to play this music, he should get more credit. Ron was such a great DJ, his style was very energetic, like being on a rollercoaster ride. He used to take you up, then down, then up again. Nowadays I don’t hear DJs do that, he was a true master.”
The last time I spoke to you - back in 2001 for the release of the ‘Survival’s Our Mission’ album - you said that Phuture had been ripped off by some labels: what happened?
“There would be times when I’d be in a rush to get the record out and not focus on the business side. The way that the labels did business in the 1980s and 1990s was to say that they wouldn’t release the record unless you signed a contract that was put together exactly the way that they wanted it. We were so keen just to put out a record and you might get a few gigs from it, that we’d sign it.”
Larry Sherman from Trax had a terrible reputation for ripping off his acts…
“Larry pretty much preyed on young black men, guys who were too young to hire a lawyer. At the time, we just didn’t know that we were making music that would change the world. Larry made as much money as possible, that was his goal and that’s what he achieved. Larry’s artists made loads of money for him, but the problem was that he wanted to keep all of the money, he didn’t want to share any of that wealth. Because he had started that kind of way of doing business, a lot of other labels followed.”
Did you get stung by anyone else?
“There was a UK label called Jack Trax that Knuckles, Ten City, Phuture and a few other Chicago artists signed tracks to. We gave the guy from the label the tracks, he gave us a small advance, say between 500 and 1,000 dollars, and he takes the music and disappears. He went off and pressed the records and we never heard from him again. I think that was back in 1989, but because Larry had started this kind of behaviour it caused a chain reaction - we never got even any of the publishing, the labels made all of the money.”
I get the feeling that unlike other scenes, that money wasn’t the key motivator in Chicago house…
“That’s correct. The Chicago artists weren’t into it for the money, to them it was about the music, it was a revolution and it was spiritual to us. New York was wide to the music as well, but they knew how to get their money. My feeling is that music is like a drug: even if you get ripped off, you’re still going to keep doing it - are you going to be seen as a pioneer, but you didn’t reap the benefits? Yeah, sure you are.”
So how did people survive?
“What happened is that most of the guys got money from DJ gigs and live PAs, but all it took was for someone to be honest: the label would have made some money and so would the artist. I know that if labels had been honest with me, had paid me, that I’d be doing this full time and that right now, if it had worked out that way, I’d be on a whole different level of music making.”
Your last album was on Music Man - would you work with them again?
“I will work with Music Man, but it’s gotta be a win-win situation. If Music Man is willing to do things right, then for sure I will - it’s an excellent label. The only downfall with the last album was that they didn’t release out version of ‘Blackout’, but it’s only a small thing.”
What do you think is Phuture and Chicago’s legacy?
“When we talk about what I assume is called techno nowadays, you do still hear Phuture’s influence: when I meet other artists when I’m playing gigs, they do say that they were influenced by our releases on Trax. Sometimes I even hear the acid sound being used on a TV ad - but the day that there is a Grammy for best techno producer is the day that you know it’s gone mainstream - we want an award for best acid act!”
Why do you think that house never made it big in the same way as hip-hop?
“House music just wasn’t respected enough by the people who ran the labels and when the mainstream saw that, it didn’t want to have anything to do with house music. Sure people get ripped off in the mainstream too, but that’s a whole different level of a rip-off: I’d rather be ripped off and have a few million dollars in the bank than get ripped off and have nothing!”
Did the US radio stations also play a role by refusing to play it?
“Yeah: the radio stations in Chicago had a very closed mind about house: all they play is hip-hop and r&b, which is crazy, because this music also came from Chicgao. I don’t agree that because house is instrumental that it didn’t get played - look at jazz, loads of those guys sold millions of records. When I go abroad, I’m amazed at how open-minded the stations are: it’s great to hear different styles like jazz, soul and gospel.”
I noticed on your answering machine that you praise God – are you a religious person, like a lot of the Chicago producers?
“Yes, I am religious, I am saved. As you get older, you get wiser: sometimes people have a terrible thing happen to them that makes them religious, but thank God nothing that bad happened to me. My life was just too inconsistent and I needed help. For a while, I was thinking about becoming a Muslim or giving my life to Christ. One day, I met a really old friend of mine, he was the singer on ‘Phantasy Girl’. Anyway, his father is a pastor and my friend invited me along to the church. I was on the look out for musicians and singers, but something else got a hold of me that day! This is beyond the scope of human possibility: we think we are in control, but we are not. Since I devoted my life to Christ, it has become hundreds of times happier - I can’t really quantify it.”
Are creative people more likely to be religious?
“That could be it: people who are involved in making music are spiritual people anyway, they are creating something. Music comes to you sometimes, stuff that you have no control over and you think ‘I just did that without knowing how to’.”
Who is in the Phuture line up at the moment – and what kind of set are you going to play at Bloc?
“The Phuture line up is me, my wife and Professor Trax. We always try to play some of the classics, but we will also drop some new material. A set consisting of straight classics is pretty boring, but promoters always want us to do it. A lot of the new stuff is interesting, it’s harder than usual, but maybe we were always considered hard: I know that when ‘Slam’ and ‘Acid Tracks’ were released that people thought they were very hard.”
