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goldstein

It seems that many of the bigger companies (Amato-uk, Watts-US, Prime-UK) suffer from their big system and large staff and could not adjust quickly enough to the lower sales on vinyl and cd releases, and at the same time more releases then ever before.
So more work, less profit?
maybe its just a labour of love?

I know for a fact that there are several companies have had the best sales in their history (Hardwax, Word and Sound,Clone, most likely Rushhour aswell) so its not all bad news. And same for several online store who sell better then ever before!

Brophy

It certainly seemed that Prime had taken on way too many labels and had no effective system in place to manage this increased volume. I'm not sure if the same thing happened in the case of Amato.

I totally forgot to mention Rush Hour in the piece - they do a great job too.

tom/pipecock

i think the days of distros doing p&d deals is probably over (i dont think these were common in the US anyway, i dont know any label that had that setup here...). i know of distros back in the day telling p&d'd labels they needed to have a specific number of records out in a certain amount of time, essentially forcing the oversaturation of the market. now, the labels should be financing their own shit, and the distros should be the middle point. i think we will see more specialist distros that pop up to handle different subgenres, and i think that might be a good thing. they are better able to understand the ins and outs of that subgenre than some random buyer at distro X. i think this will end up being a case of the weak bloated distros going under and things getting more underground.

GeorgeBLOC

To my mind, the small distros in the UK, specifically black hole and veto are comparable to the collectives you mention (like clone in the netherlands)... a solid group of like-minded quality underground labels held together by small, efficient teams that are realistic about what they are selling and keep things going on a properly managed, small scale.

all power to them!

Z

also, I think ELP Medien recently closed too. That was started by Corrado Izzo and Marco Carola. Marco left the business after Corrado picked up a lot of the cannon fodder labels from Prime's fallout.

Ronan

Amato was a joke, you never ordered anything from them, ever, except Border Community which I reckon they had an exclusive on.

I agree with your post, people make a big deal of some distros closing (or labels, or artists not making any cash) and it's as if it's part of some lamentable process when actually in some cases you just think "hang on, maybe nobody liked what you did".

sestis

Amato was a joke? - what a ten million pound turnover a year joke? Cmon Z, you tell us what a serious business does?
Let me tell you the market is very near collapsing, all this crap about labels doing it for themselves direct with shops....How will they even get them to the shops? - Then when they figure out how they will discover it wont be cost effective, and the shops will spend all of their time doin admin and none sellin. The basic fact is less people are buying music and practically none buying vinyl...in 5 years time none of us on here will be buying vinyl and we wont even be on this site!! - Face up.....its had its time, your the stragglers, the rest of us have moved on......

Kenny

@ Sestis. Then why did Clone, Hardwax and Word And Sound have their most succesfull years?

Ronan

"Amato was a joke? - what a ten million pound turnover a year joke? Cmon Z, you tell us what a serious business does?"

I don't know how much they made selling Tom Middleton Comps of "Crazy Covers" (of which we sold about a zillion) but my point was their demise doesn't say much about house/techno since those labels seemed to mostly be available from other places too.

Mind you I did notice that Rekids have taken a financial hit cos of that, they were also exclusively Amato I think.

The problem about all of this is that nobody has any real idea how much dance music is selling or what the breakdown is. Nobody has any hard facts.

That's a complete joke, the industry needs to start collaborating to sort this out.

harvey lane

thanks for the big-ups anyway.....much
appreciated

Harvey (VETO)

hum3

Slightly off-topic, but regarding vinyl actually being listened to and bought in a SHOP: that's under serious pressure over here for sure. This last half of the year, 2 decent (dance) recordshops have already closed - and that's in the best street for vinyl in Holland! I'm afraid more will follow suit in the year to come.

Triple Vision (renowned for their drum 'n bass selection) has cut opening times almost in half and Demon Fuzz (great shop for vintage) has limited the shop to make room for their stock/archive.

Maybe different reasons and maybe online orders will make up for this, but steady visits are diminishing for sure. And that's a shame... I'm missing the old days already.

Exit 'old-school' Rant.

Hamed Elbarki

Great article, thanks for sharing!

labelowner

I'm a small label owner and have been at the receiving end of distributors closing- including recently ELP. I strongly believe that at the root of ELP closing and Prime previously, was dishonesty from the distributors themselves. The management make sure that they take sizeable bonuses from the company and run it into the ground. The labels don't get paid, but told that the business is bankrupt. If the vinyl situation was so bad and bankruptcy so inevitable- why would somebody like Jeremy Ford be first an employee of Prime, then a director of ELP (both now bankrupt) and then set up his own distribution company Splinter? He would only do this if it was financially worth it for himself. All the calls of 'vinyl is dead' is rubbish. Its just that there are a certain number of distributors out there taking advantage of small labels.

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